Filter – Church Activity - Mutual

02 Mar, '21
Kayla Merged

There should be a button for everyone to show if they are or arent a member. Non members are honestly freaking me out the guys I've talked to only want sex.

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03 Mar, '21
Moses Lotulelei Admin

"LDS Church Membership" (suggested by Elizabeth on 2021-03-02), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

03 Mar, '21
Moses Lotulelei Admin

"Members or non members" (suggested by Kayla on 2021-03-02), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

13 Mar, '21
Jackson

I think even if it’s not a member/ non member it’s a what religion are you thing. I’ve met a couple of different religions in here.

13 Mar, '21
Jackson Merged

Have more options in filters to help narrow down searches. Options like level of education, political stance, pet preferences, height, activity in the church, etc. I know you list your school but maybe there is an option to filter people who go to that specific school?

13 Mar, '21
Michael Patterson Admin

"Filter options" (suggested by Jackson on 2021-03-13), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

14 Mar, '21
Florence

Hmmmm
So many filters! You might be cutting off your mr/mrs right. There are so many great Christians out there, some love what LDS is about and want to convert.
Is this a strictly LDS app? if yes then just don’t allow any non LDS to sign up. If it’s about Christians then let it be. We’re all adults, you can’t control what people are thinking or want to think and believe. Many LDS here don’t sound so into their faith. Many are very impolite and unserious; can’t even have a proper conversation, some are all about ghosting...So I say let it be, if anybody is being inappropriate just report the person and unmatch; then admin should delete the person to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

15 Mar, '21
Michael Patterson Admin

Great comments here. The way we envision this feature being done is that it would be optional to fill out any of these filter data, including a "Church Activity" filter. This data would then show up on profiles when swiping. Premium users cold optionally filter by this data similar to they can optionally turn on the height filter now, but the default would be to just have all profiles show.

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16 Mar, '21
Ann

Most LDS people here want to meet LDS. I've met many people here who aren't LDS but pretending to be and often start trying to scam money; and some who tell me, if I ask, they aren't really LDS and try to look interested but not really. Some may be interested in lds church but I want that much basics to be listed.
So I'd like it to be mandatory to answer what religion and their activity level so we know. Some will lie but the way they answer can show what kind of people they are somewhat.

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17 Mar, '21
Duncan

This should be optional or not added at all, making this mandatory would really put too much of a spotlight on people’s personal life.

23 Mar, '21
Johnny Järlehag Merged

There are many many men on Mutual who are not members who are behaving badly towards womans on Mutual. I would like the creators to somehow get in touch with the church and try to make Mutual more official and user friendly by asking people to use their church number when they register so that only LDS members can use the app. I have female friends on Mutual and it's not fun when non member men contact them and starts to sexually harass them verbally.

25 Mar, '21
Jared

I agree that it should be optional to add your church activity level... Especially since we don't have that much space to write bios and it feels like a waste of that space to write our activity levels in.

It still could be awkward and the vast majority would feel peer pressure to put "all in" to attract members- it might be better to have a questionnaire instead. Everyone can answer the questions they're comfortable with and then you can check a match's answers to the questions that you've answered yourself. In order to see the answers to questions that you haven't taken, you have to answer the corresponding question (to prevent ppl from saying what a match wants to hear).

Premium users could then see a match % based on the questions and interest tags

27 Mar, '21
Live it bold

A person can leave their activity level blank which also sends a message to viewer.

30 Mar, '21
Sandra

I agree to get an idea of how committed we are to our beliefs.

31 Mar, '21
Michael Patterson Admin

"Church number and non members" (suggested by Johnny Järlehag on 2021-03-23), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

01 Apr, '21
Asher Crandell

I love this idea. I think it really needs to happen because women deserve respect and it sounds like that is a huge issue. Even one instance of disrespect is a massive problem.
The issue with this statistic being self reported is that Liars lie. If they are dishonest person then that implies they can’t be trusted to self report an honest answer.
We need better verification practices, a multiple verification system entailing video interview with a mutual member who volunteers as a verifier where that person can be ranked on a number of qualities, seriousness, foundations, presentation, and interests.
This would allow for much better profiles and more information to match with. The more traits that are indexed the more that can be matched with.
I know that in member tools they track church activity and attendance. This seems like the best way to verify this statistic if The Church is on board with that.

01 Apr, '21
Asher Crandell

There is also the covenant path lessons section of the member tools app which could also be utilized to verify members.

01 Apr, '21
Asher Crandell

Another really awesome way to filter based on church activity would be to have a verse section of everyone’s profile where they can select their favorite verse and write about what they think about it. It wanna verify their church activity but it would verify that their heart is in the right place.

03 Apr, '21
Toby

It's a broad category and should be a field like where you work or mission. Also optional. An open category let's a person more openly convey the answer. "Temple goer", "active christian", "recent convert", "not active, but believe", "firm believer but struggling". There are too many potential answers to only give required options.

11 May, '21
Alex

Non member, not active, active is probably the most granularity that id be okay with. Yea its a dating app but theres no need for people to pray in their street corners about how active they are, or to force wavering members to report the level of their inactivity. If a person is all in that can be conveyed in the chat. If they have specific issues, it can be left open ended with just “not active” unless someone wants to know more. Those who are insecure about their activity level may feel anxiety or dishonest in choosing an option. Ideally though member/non member seems sufficient... the notion of having to state a specific activity level may cause feelings of inadequacy and push away those earnest inactive members trying to return. Keep it simple and open ended.

20 May, '21
Dustin Germaine Merged

There should be two parts to the biography. Upward does this fit exampme, they allow one section for about me, another to share your faith.

25 May, '21
Kami

Yes I like this a lot. I really want to date someone who is a member and lately I've just been matching with non members and it's really frustrating!

23 Jun, '21
Moses Lotulelei Admin

"Separate section for faith bio" (suggested by Dustin Germaine on 2021-05-20), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

05 Jul, '21
Cris

Acho importante, porém não garante as pessoas falarem a verdade...
Muitos dá pra ver nas fotos que não são membros.
Está bem complicado conversar.
Eles só falam em sexo!
Terrível e constrangedor!

13 Jul, '21
Chan

Make it a requirement, but make it a drop down menu. Those who are serious shouldn’t mind sharing that info. Why is it a bad thing to share that? You’re lying to someone if you don’t want to list these different selections from the get go. You could always update selections or add more.

On different apps I have run into the problem of them not having the same level of interest/belief in the church. I would like to be able to come here and know that the person has the same level of belief before even having a conversation with someone.

28 Jul, '21
David

With option of showing activity in church, show trying to become more active if "less active".

23 Aug, '21
Isis

Sim seria bom!

23 Sep, '21
R

Absolutely not

03 Oct, '21
Taylor

I agree, the app should be inviting to those of any faith; however, as an app geared towards our Church membership should be shown and required.

Membership:
- Not a Member
- Investigating
- Less Active
- Returning to Church
- Active
- All In

07 Oct, '21
Steve

CTR = current temple recommend

23 Oct, '21
Josh

The title for mutual says LDS dating.
Non members already have loads of dating apps like bumble, tinder, christian singles, etc.

I do agree we need a system or filter to know if you are active in the church or not.
Because honestly if a nonmember wants to date in the LDS community they should already go to the activities in person at a church building then on an app specifically for those who are already LDS.

10 Nov, '21
Claudia Gonzalez Merged

Verify that the person that is in this app actually in fact a member and also areal person, this may avoid less scammers trying to take advantage of people seeking companionship.
Verify them against maybe some kind of records and maybe contacting the person, I don’t know.
I just feel that online dating sites are just about the numbers and not protecting it’s members.
I personally feel that location should only show where that person is actually located, not just Radom locations.
I know this could be hard but I feel that the app should try to do more to protect its members.
I feel that if you are promoting LDS dating amongst its members it should also do more to make sure they are actual members and not just scammers taking advantage of this community.

10 Nov, '21
Moses Lotulelei Admin

"Verify that the User is actually an LDS member/ or LDS community" (suggested by Claudia Gonzalez on 2021-11-10), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

23 Dec, '21
Francesca

YES PLEASE!!!
Mutual is supposed to be a "safe space" for Members &being able to filter out Church Activity will definitely save time, energy &some shockingly not so wholesome interactions

07 May, '22
Matt Makila

I could imagine "LDS or not" would be going fine since I gather that one more or less already declares religion by joining. One could get a bit higher "reliability" score by having a valid temple recommend, but since all that remains up to one's honesty, it's moot IMHO, if reliability is a concern.
Only getting to know a person is good, and even then there's no guarantee. Sure getting to know a person is an investment of time and it seems money too.

10 May, '22
JJ Merged

Like eharmony has a significant questionnaire for psychologically profiling and matching people, it would be worth having a Mutual alternative that incorporates the Myers Briggs Test, among others. There’s a site set up by a member called Understand.me that is the mega load compilation of all these tests rolled into one.
With an additional one that evaluates ones activity and testimony in the church, and how much a person loves the gospel, the prophet Joseph and Jesus Christ.

11 May, '22
Moses Lotulelei Admin

"Character profiling" (suggested by JJ on 2022-05-10), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

13 May, '22
Johnny Järlehag

I always wanted a feature that makes us ID ourselves as members by adding our church number to the application (which will be hidden ofcourse) but would put a green validated icon in the corner of our pictures so it will be easy for anyone to see if we are registered members.

This way only people who are baptized and have recieved their number would be able to become validated users.

21 May, '22
Tobe

Please do NOT do this. This creates a slang culture in or out All centered around arbitrary metrics of activity which are nowhere in Scripture/ Handbooks.

a simple list:
Not A Member
Investigator
Member

Missionaries are supposed to use, non members have feelings. Remember?

My Aunt & Uncle married in a Church chapel, have not yet been sealed in their 60y marriage, my uncle doesn’t hold Melchizedek, they attend less than 1 a year but they are more active than anyone who believes in the proposed metric.

God used them, while “inactive” by your metric, to save my soul and I was baptized May2012.

The proposed metric promotes depression, self righteousness, divisions, self condemnation thoughts, internal debates of worthiness etc etc etc you know the rest…

Charity is activity, simple as that. Please allow the Holy Ghost to magnify your perspective of your activity metric in the faith of our Lord God Jesus Christ. Right? 🤔🕍

21 May, '22
Tobe

I sustain this

22 May, '22
Kas

If you are concerned about someone’s activity level then ask them. Having it verified on lds tools is too much. Do you want a bishop’s note indicating someone’s activity level for the app?

07 Jul, '22
Liz

Yeah…don’t do that. I am divorced from someone who flashes their titles in the Church everywhere and yet they cheated. I think this puts us in a more judgmental situation. Level of activity can be very personal and fluid for some. Most guys I’ve come across who aren’t active make sure to write it somewhere in their bio. It seems like others in this chat would like to conduct a full on temple recommend interview before being allowed to swipe. Also…just talk to them. It’s easily brought up in the talking stage.

07 Jul, '22
Robert

I can understand why some people want this and having it as an optional field to fill out (and filter for premium) is fine, but I agree with Kas, if you're really concerned, just ask them because no field with set options is going to capture all the possibilities/nuances.

And using official church records doesn't work because most of the people who leave the church don't bother to go through the formal process to get their names removed.

To use myself as an example, I was raised LDS and stopped going to church when I left home but I consider myself "culturally LDS" kind of like culturally jewish. I have more in common with them. I have no problem going to church with family for special occasions or if I'm staying at their house and I appreciate and agree with most of the values of the church. I like the community aspect as well. I've had successful dates where none of this ever came up and others where it did and I explained. So just ask your matches if you care.

08 Jul, '22
Orbital Dumpster

I like this idea, but it's hard to implement. Religious activity is a major factor in a relationship for many people. If it weren't, we wouldn't all be on a religious dating app. Knowing that, I don't know I'd keep "All in". It's vague. To me it seems like it introduces a "good member / bad member" paradigm that is, at best, uncomfortable. While I wish there were a tactful way to differentiate between "active and striving to keep covenants," and, "at least going to church on Sunday" I don't think it's possible. I'd take it out.
You could argue the same for "Not active/less active", but it doesn't seem like it has the same moral weight, I guess, because that metric is more attendance-based. That said, I can see members/users outside of Utah (especially Utah County) having a valuable perspective on this. I'd get input from them specifically.

03 Aug, '22
anonymous

I wish there was an option between “always” and “sometimes” like “most of the time” or “often” because I usually go to church but sometimes miss, but sometimes sounds like you might not go that much.

11 Aug, '22
Mary

Thank you so much for adding this option! I've been matched with so many guys that aren't active, and they don't offer the information willingly; it takes a lot of conversation to find out they aren't active (which is totally their choice, I respect that!), but I am 100% looking for someone that is active and it's completely wasting everyone's time if they aren't forthright about it.

If they aren't active (or aren't members) and still want to use the app, and are completely open about their religious status, I think that's totally fine. There are people that have different preferences than me. I don't think the app needs to limit who can use it, just help the information be clear.

17 Oct, '22
Anonymous

I think the options should include a more variety scale. Always sounds like 100% perfect attendance to me so I selected sometimes but I almost always attend minus here and there.
I think the options should be
Always
Often
Sometimes
Rarely
Never

16 Nov, '22
Rosilene

Prefiro homem que seja firme no evangelho que seja frequentador ativo. Se este site é de pessoas da igreja, por que tem homens que não os são?

13 Aug, '23
Jonathan

The whole point of the app is to be different from all of the other apps if Non members are allowed that would just make it take longer to REALLY find someone

20 Aug, '23
Anonymous

Should also include: working toward a temple recommend; currently holding an active temple recommend; holder of active temple recommend and serve inside the Temple regularly.

And yes, this section of membership should be mandatory. Unfortunately, Mutual is infiltrated with people that were born into the church or once affiliated with the church, but are not believers, or not active or nowhere near ready for a relationship and you should be able to filter those that are in the same place as you And what you were open to. Some people want someone that understands the church culture, but is not active, and that’s OK for some, but not all. Being an LDS-based dating app, it should really only have LDS people in it. There are plenty of other apps to find non-LDS people. Requiring this would really just eliminate imposters from being able to match with those that are looking for a member who isn’t posing but is actually active or whatever they are looking to match with.

Filter – Church Activity

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